Well, according to the chart, only a lower 5% of employees in education seem to believe that. But I'm part of that 5%. Teaching is a bullshit job. It is not only useless but also toxic.
I guess you mean in a conventional school setting?
Teaching online is pure joy, but I guess I'm not really an "education employee."
Also, I started teaching private music lessons when I was 15. Did it for 25 years. Absolutely loved it.
Taught music for dance (actually I was in charge of the music for dance program) at the college level for 5 years. heavenly job.
And teaching mindfulness at various yoga studies, hospitals, etc, also wonderful.
But again, I guess you're talking about public or private schools, in a salaried job? Yes, certainly nowadays sounds like a virtual impossibility to deal with.
Yes, I mean teaching in public and in most private schools. It is not only toxic for teachers but even more for students. Online is fine. I also created some online courses. But online teaching can't completely replace a brick-and-mortar school/college learning environment. Especially not for children. Private one-to-one is great, of course, but obviously not generalizable. It can come as an add-on, not as a model that works for the masses.
I wonder, regarding children growing up now. I'm in the midst of switching my online courses to Mighty Networks. The PRIMARY thing there is the community, not the course.
I spent a year on my own, in between my 3rd and 4th years of high school, practicing piano 4-6 hours a day, composing, studying music theory. I'd see each of my 3 teachers in person, once a week (it would have been absolutely just as good seeing them on zoom). Otherwise, I had nobody telling me what to do.
it was the first year of my life (I was 17 at the time) that I fell in love with learning. Had hated science, (well, loved it but hated it in school), hated history (in or out of school), never had anyone mention philosophy or psychology to me, looked at art history, music history, religion, areas of math I never touched on in school - fell in love with all of it.
Now, you might say most people aren't that self motivated. True, but I wonder if the culture, world wide, changed, if that might change things.
And especially, if you had genuine meet up groups, meeting in person, connected to the global online learning community (not so different from the La Grace set up, actually) - how might that change things? I think it could change things profoundly.
Now, I don't see LaGrace doing anything remotely like this - I've been trying to tell them they need a whole other approach to building online community, and especially to broaden their approach so IY doesn't remain merely intellectual or religious, as it has been mostly for the past century.
Oh well, I'm wandering off point. Great topic and thanks for inspiring some reflections.
That's all fine and well. But also an online community can't entirely replace a learning environment where people meet in place. Online learning may replace teaching, but not the real learning environment with all its social dynamics. A real school is not only about learning things, it is also about creating a synergy among people leading to something beyond an intellectual interaction (in IY terms we could speak of physical, vital, mental, beyond-mental influences exchanged at an occult level of the environmental consciousness, and that a monitor and microphone can't transmit.) If in 2023 all universities have their online courses but haven't abolished their onsite lectures, seminars, colloquia, conferences, meetings, symposia, workshops, etc. this is not because of some stubbornness resisting change. Even a pandemic that forced us at home behind a screen for a couple of years could not change this much (contrary to many that prophesied this would have been the inevitable outcome.) There are deeper reasons for this. So, yes, the schools of the future will rely a lot on online learning, as also jobs already rely on home office, but education can't be reduced to that. No more and no less than online dating can replace offline mating. ;)
I agree with every word (particularly the last line). The only thing I meant to convey, but worded badly, is that online learning can be done infinitely better than it is now - and no doubt, online learning with direct physical contact is far more powerful.
We had an interesting example of that recently. We've been attending 3 of Craig Holliday's online sessions per week since last December. When about 20 of us finally met in person a few weeks ago at the retreat, I remember Justina kept saying, "Everyone's eyes look so different, so much more alive, in person."
Ok, maybe I misunderstood the chart. Do you mean, for example, you think that teaching is a bullshit job?
Well, according to the chart, only a lower 5% of employees in education seem to believe that. But I'm part of that 5%. Teaching is a bullshit job. It is not only useless but also toxic.
ok, I see, didn't read the chart correctly.
I guess you mean in a conventional school setting?
Teaching online is pure joy, but I guess I'm not really an "education employee."
Also, I started teaching private music lessons when I was 15. Did it for 25 years. Absolutely loved it.
Taught music for dance (actually I was in charge of the music for dance program) at the college level for 5 years. heavenly job.
And teaching mindfulness at various yoga studies, hospitals, etc, also wonderful.
But again, I guess you're talking about public or private schools, in a salaried job? Yes, certainly nowadays sounds like a virtual impossibility to deal with.
Yes, I mean teaching in public and in most private schools. It is not only toxic for teachers but even more for students. Online is fine. I also created some online courses. But online teaching can't completely replace a brick-and-mortar school/college learning environment. Especially not for children. Private one-to-one is great, of course, but obviously not generalizable. It can come as an add-on, not as a model that works for the masses.
I wonder, regarding children growing up now. I'm in the midst of switching my online courses to Mighty Networks. The PRIMARY thing there is the community, not the course.
I spent a year on my own, in between my 3rd and 4th years of high school, practicing piano 4-6 hours a day, composing, studying music theory. I'd see each of my 3 teachers in person, once a week (it would have been absolutely just as good seeing them on zoom). Otherwise, I had nobody telling me what to do.
it was the first year of my life (I was 17 at the time) that I fell in love with learning. Had hated science, (well, loved it but hated it in school), hated history (in or out of school), never had anyone mention philosophy or psychology to me, looked at art history, music history, religion, areas of math I never touched on in school - fell in love with all of it.
Now, you might say most people aren't that self motivated. True, but I wonder if the culture, world wide, changed, if that might change things.
And especially, if you had genuine meet up groups, meeting in person, connected to the global online learning community (not so different from the La Grace set up, actually) - how might that change things? I think it could change things profoundly.
Now, I don't see LaGrace doing anything remotely like this - I've been trying to tell them they need a whole other approach to building online community, and especially to broaden their approach so IY doesn't remain merely intellectual or religious, as it has been mostly for the past century.
Oh well, I'm wandering off point. Great topic and thanks for inspiring some reflections.
That's all fine and well. But also an online community can't entirely replace a learning environment where people meet in place. Online learning may replace teaching, but not the real learning environment with all its social dynamics. A real school is not only about learning things, it is also about creating a synergy among people leading to something beyond an intellectual interaction (in IY terms we could speak of physical, vital, mental, beyond-mental influences exchanged at an occult level of the environmental consciousness, and that a monitor and microphone can't transmit.) If in 2023 all universities have their online courses but haven't abolished their onsite lectures, seminars, colloquia, conferences, meetings, symposia, workshops, etc. this is not because of some stubbornness resisting change. Even a pandemic that forced us at home behind a screen for a couple of years could not change this much (contrary to many that prophesied this would have been the inevitable outcome.) There are deeper reasons for this. So, yes, the schools of the future will rely a lot on online learning, as also jobs already rely on home office, but education can't be reduced to that. No more and no less than online dating can replace offline mating. ;)
I agree with every word (particularly the last line). The only thing I meant to convey, but worded badly, is that online learning can be done infinitely better than it is now - and no doubt, online learning with direct physical contact is far more powerful.
We had an interesting example of that recently. We've been attending 3 of Craig Holliday's online sessions per week since last December. When about 20 of us finally met in person a few weeks ago at the retreat, I remember Justina kept saying, "Everyone's eyes look so different, so much more alive, in person."
Yes, quite so!